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Re: I decided

by "Capt. JG" <jganz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 15, 2008 at 08:07 PM

"Jere Lull" <jerelull@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:2008041519282516807-jerelull@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On 2008-04-15 08:20:21 -0400, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
said:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:55:37 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
>> <b*paige*125@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Are you stating specifically that a sailing boat that loses its mast
>>> is in more danger of capsizing then when the rig was in place??  I
>>> would appreciate it if you could elaborate on this as it was always my
>>> understanding that once the rig was either cut away or retrieved and
>>> lashed on deck the boat rode no worse then it had with the rig in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> It was always my thought that once the rig was gone that stability of
>>> the ballasted hull would become slightly better with no weight above
>>> the deck line.
>>>
>>> I emphasize that I have no interest in this discussion other then this
>>> single point which is probably of interest to most cruising sailors.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>>> (correct email address for reply)
>>
>> There are conflicting factors (as usual): the pro-stability factor is
>> the considerable mass far from the roll center (called moment of
>> iniertia) which slows the rate of roll in adverse seas.
>> The con-stab factor is the increased windage and weight above the
>> water line.
>>
>> Brian W
>
> As I read this thread, the mast *might* slow wave-induced roll enough to

> prevent a roll-over. Anyone who's taken their boat out without a mast up

> can attest that the boat is a lot less "stable".
>
> But such waves don't come without wind trying to roll the boat all on
its 
> own.
>
> I can only believe that having the mast and remains of sails "up" once
the 
> boat is inverted would be a distinct disadvantage to coming back up in a

> timely manner. Dinghy sailors know how much drag a little bit of cloth
can 
> create.
>
> -- 
> Jere Lull
> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>


Likely true. For catamarans, if inverted, they're more stable upside down.

Of course, this comment might open up a religious war about which one is 
better offshore. :-)


-- 
"j" ganz @[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




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"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-04-11 18:05:55 
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Bob <freya2go@[EMAIL P  2008-04-11 15:57:19 
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"Roger Long" &l  2008-04-15 05:27:59 
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Bruce in Bangkok <b*pa  2008-04-15 20:41:41 
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"Roger Long" &l  2008-04-15 10:24:19 
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Brian Whatcott <betwys  2008-04-16 21:10:11 
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Bruce in Bangkok <b*pa  2008-04-17 20:45:23 
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cavelamb himself <cave  2008-04-17 10:39:13 
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"Gregory Hall"   2008-04-17 13:49:02 
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sailor164 <sailor164@[  2008-04-16 15:44:26 
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"Capt. JG" <  2008-04-16 15:50:46 
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JimC <avocat5@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 13:16:17 
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