On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:35:58 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jganz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>"Bruce in Bangkok" <b*paige*125@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:07:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jganz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Jere Lull" <jerelull@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On 2008-04-15 08:20:21 -0400, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:55:37 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
>>>>> <b*paige*125@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you stating specifically that a sailing boat that loses its
mast
>>>>>> is in more danger of capsizing then when the rig was in place?? I
>>>>>> would appreciate it if you could elaborate on this as it was always
my
>>>>>> understanding that once the rig was either cut away or retrieved
and
>>>>>> lashed on deck the boat rode no worse then it had with the rig in
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was always my thought that once the rig was gone that stability
of
>>>>>> the ballasted hull would become slightly better with no weight
above
>>>>>> the deck line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I emphasize that I have no interest in this discussion other then
this
>>>>>> single point which is probably of interest to most cruising
sailors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>>>>>> (correct email address for reply)
>>>>>
>>>>> There are conflicting factors (as usual): the pro-stability factor
is
>>>>> the considerable mass far from the roll center (called moment of
>>>>> iniertia) which slows the rate of roll in adverse seas.
>>>>> The con-stab factor is the increased windage and weight above the
>>>>> water line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian W
>>>>
>>>> As I read this thread, the mast *might* slow wave-induced roll enough
to
>>>> prevent a roll-over. Anyone who's taken their boat out without a mast
up
>>>> can attest that the boat is a lot less "stable".
>>>>
>>>> But such waves don't come without wind trying to roll the boat all on
>>>> its
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> I can only believe that having the mast and remains of sails "up"
once
>>>> the
>>>> boat is inverted would be a distinct disadvantage to coming back up
in a
>>>> timely manner. Dinghy sailors know how much drag a little bit of
cloth
>>>> can
>>>> create.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jere Lull
>>>> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
>>>> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
>>>> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Likely true. For catamarans, if inverted, they're more stable upside
down.
>>>Of course, this comment might open up a religious war about which one
is
>>>better offshore. :-)
>>
>> Being a bit bored this afternoon - the glue is hardening. My car is
>> broke and I don't have anything pending for an hour or I'd like to
>> forward the proposition that Catamarans are the safest type of vessel
>> to sail. Think about it for a moment.
>>
>> 1. They are stable in either the upright or inverted position
>>
>> 2. Modern Cats have a hatch in the bottom of the hull so it doesn't
>> make any difference which side up you are you can get in and out.
>>
>> 3. If inverted the strongest part of the boat - the hull - is the
>> ****tion exposed to the waves.
>>
>> 4. The rig is pretty simple with only one shroud a side and a head
>> stay.
>>
>> 5. Cats don't rock so bad so you don't need a gimbel stove, and your
>> significant other seldom barfs in the mashed potatoes.
>>
>> 6. Cats have big windows so you don't need so many lights.
>>
>> 7. Cats have two separate bedrooms so when you really have a bruhaha
>> with She Who Must be Obeyed you can go off to the other hull to lick
>> your wounds.
>>
>> 8. Cats usually have a BIG cockpit which allows you to sit out in the
>> summer's breezes in the evening and enjoy a cool beverage. It also
>> allows you to feed the mosquitoes but what the Ha, mosquitoes got to
>> live too. Living in tune with nature. That's the ticket. Participating
>> in the Malaria Fever Research Project if also a worthy undertaking.
>>
>> No, there is no question but what Catamarans are safe, congenial and
>> in tune with nature. The only way the thinking man will sail.
>>
>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> (correct email address for reply)
>
>
>Hard for me to disagree... probably the only major negatives are stowage
and
>cost, the former of which you have to watch or it'll get out of control
and
>really slow down the boat. Crew fatigue is a *big* factor for
long-distance.
>I saw a cat that had screens up around the cockpit, so screw the
mosquitos.
>
>When we charter in various locations, we always rent a catamaran... makes
>for a much pleasant vacation.
>
>Disclaimer: I own a mono. :-)
Well, one simply advises the Captain that the crew will be limited to
a single "tee" ****rt and pair of shorts. Keeps the weight down and
also restricts the use of fresh water, don;t you know?
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)
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