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Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present

by Matt Colie <mattcolie@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 16, 2007 at 02:58 PM

Rick Cortese wrote:
> 
> Have you followed the Clearlake incidence in California? Latitude 38 has

> been good in their coverage and presentation of the two sides. Most of 
> it seems to be in the form of letters to the editor, the following
> http://www.latitude38.com/letters/200708.html
> about 1/3 of the way down is the pertinent letter/response.
> 
> I mention it to illustrate what I see as a certain level of bias on the 
> part of authorities. For instance eye witnesses were told their 
> testimony was not needed. This included at least two people that one saw

> the sailboats running lights on and another who said the saloon lights 
> were on. This is apparently an effort to sup****t the Deputy's version of

> events where he says the boat was unlit.
> 
> While I don't agree with Hal's reaction to your going armed, you might 
> want to think about it since there is a presumed guilty against you by a

> large segment of the population if you are armed. Yes there are Yahoos 
> that would think it funny to try and swamp you with their wake or 
> otherwise ruin your boating experience. Thing is they succeed in 
> drowning you, the presence of a gun on your carcase would just make 
> people think "He was probably a crack dealer" or something equivalent.
> 
> There are laws against brandi****ng a gun so the ability to do what you 
> think you can do is dubious. That is, jail time for you vs. a ticket for

> the person who precipitated the incident. Unless you are in your own 
> home, you may have the "duty to retreat" in your state. This means if 
> someone is harassing you, you have to leave the area. I'm as serious as 
> a broken leg about this, you have to leave or you will be charged with a

> crime.
> 
> Carry a camera, flare gun, and pepper spray. If you are in an area that 
> doesn't allow excessive wakes or speed, the sight of a camera taking 
> their picture should be enough to deter knucleheads. If you do carry a 
> gun, don't bring it out unless someone is threatening you with deadly 
> force.

Rick,
First - Thank you for the Clear Lake reference, I had heard of it and 
nothing more.  Yes - Rule 6 should apply here, but LEO protect their own 
when well they should not.

I got roped into teaching cl***** to potential marine patrol officers. 
(As attached in a prior sig, I am a licensed mariner.)  I have also been 
involved in law enforcement.  Many were expecting a "get paid for 
sleeping through the rubber stamp course".  They were upset when they 
were expected to actually know the rules of the road.  I didn't get 
invited back.

You might go back and read the thread before Hal got involved.  There 
was a lot of tongue and cheek humor (whooshed on Hal) about how to make 
your presents know to an incapable (and possibly inebriated) power boat 
operator.  In six decades on the water, I have been hit (racing under 
sail doesn't count here) eight times.  On three of those occasions, we 
saw burden vessel alter course to collide.  In one of those cases, (it 
was a second encounter) I had a 12ga flare pistol ready.  I fired a 
white star directly over the windscreen of the oncoming vessel and got 
not response.

While I understand your sentiments, the camera will be lost, the flare 
gun didn't cause him to alter course and the pepper spray won't do you 
any good as he is speeding away laughing about what he has just done.

A result of all this is that I do carry devices on board my small boats, 
like a hundred feet of black polypropylene to trail aft.  I have also 
been know to look up the registration and then locate the owner and go 
see him with a badge conspicuously hidden and the back strap of the 
holster in plain view.  I don't worry about where I carry.  I have been 
licensed to carry for many years and know all about the laws.

Unfortunately, as said in a prior note, all you need to get out on the 
water with too much horsepower is a credit rating.  Until that changes, 
the situation won't change.

It is a shame, there have been many days that I would have taken my 
grandchildren out in my day boat, but the weather was just too nice and 
therefore dangerous.

Situations like Clear Lake don't help at all.

Thank you for your interest.

Matt Colie
 




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Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-09 11:07:06 
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Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-09 13:20:49 
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DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-09 14:53:44 
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anwn@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2007-09-09 23:17:10 
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DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-09 21:41:38 
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Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-10 10:52:09 
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"MMC" <merli  2007-10-29 17:22:39 
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"Prospector via Boat  2007-11-06 19:54:31 
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"Salty Bob" <  2007-11-09 17:07:10 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-10 10:41:05 
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DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-10 15:46:28 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-10 14:14:00 
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Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-10 17:44:44 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-10 16:34:18 
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DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-10 19:36:29 
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Red <sailing@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-15 00:24:49 
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Hal <headseyewin@[EMAI  2007-09-12 09:06:27 
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DaveInLakeVilla@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-12 20:14:57 
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Hal <headseyewin@[EMAI  2007-09-13 20:44:37 
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Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-14 11:26:12 
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Hal <headseyewin@[EMAI  2007-09-15 12:25:04 
Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-16 09:10:32 
Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
Rick Cortese <ricortes  2007-09-16 11:00:21 
Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
Matt Colie <mattcolie@  2007-09-16 14:58:43 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-16 12:21:15 
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Red <sailing@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-16 14:15:07 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-17 11:53:29 
Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
Rick Cortese <ricortes  2007-09-17 11:28:05 
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Rick Cortese <ricortes  2007-09-17 11:32:10 
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Red <sailing@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-16 14:33:28 
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"John Weiss" &l  2007-09-17 11:58:38 
Re: Questions : Kayaking with Boats present
Hal <headseyewin@[EMAI  2007-09-17 08:51:08 

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