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Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?

by Don Gingrich <aussie.import2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Hi-Soft wrote:

> 
> Why do we (here in Australia) have a 5 minute safety stop as opposed
> to the 3 minutes that other countries have ?

The short answer is, "if 3 minutes is good the 5 minutes is better."

The longer answer is:

1) A 3 minute stop probably is "good enough" provided that you
   actually hold a depth of 5-6 metres and don't get above 4.5 
   metres at any time on the stop

2) A lot of beginners that I have observed really don't hold 
   their depth on the stop very well

3) the more time that you spend at around 5 metres at the end
   of a dive (particularly deeper dives) the better. At 5 metres
   you are still under 1.5 BAR absolute pressure but there 
   should be a good pressure gradient between the nitrogen in
   your blood and the nitrogen in your lungs. Also, from memory,
   all of the decompression research agrees that a differential 
   of no more than 1.5:1 won't cause bubbles -- staying at 5
   metres gives you time to off-gas and move towards that 1.5:1
   ratio. (And, of course, when you are at 1.5 bar absolute the
   pressure in your lungs can be up to 2.25 and still be safe.)

4) If it wouldn't annoy the charter boat operators, (and doing
   this definitely would annoy them) the ideal situation would
   be to ascend to hit 5 metres with about 60-70 bar and then 
   sit at 5 metres until you get down to about 10-15 bar. This
   could mean a 5-10 minute stop or longer. 

5) another technique that you might want to consider is ascending
   to 10 metres and stopping there for a minute, then moving on to
   5 metres for 5 minutes. The point of the 10 metre stop is
   2-fold. First, it is a chance to off-gas a little bit and 
   reduce the gradient before you get to 5 metres. And second
   it gives you a "set-point" to get your ascent under control 
   before moving the final bit to 5 metres.

The bottom line on all of this is that even if you are doing 
"no decompression" diving, you are still decompressing on your
ascent. What makes "no-decompression" diving ND diving is that 
there aren't any required decompression *stops*. The design of
the ND dive tables is such that the partial pressure of nitrogen
should never exceed the point where dangerous bubbles would form
if you ascended directly to the surface at a rate less than 18
metres per minute -- I'd actually recommend a rate of 9 metres
per minute. A faster ascent increases the chances of bubble 
formation -- just like when you pop the cork on a champagne 
bottle and suddenly reduce the pressure. If you carefully extract 
the cork, the pressure is released a little bit slower and you
are less likely tho have champagne all over the bench top.

Again on the point of letting the pressure reduce slowly, the
greatest percentage change in pressure occurs in the final
10 metres of the ascent when you go from 2 bar to 1 bar. 
Slowing the ascent rate in the final 10 metres is a really
good idea. Taking 2 or 3 minutes to ascend from the safety stop
is an excellent idea.

There's been some ongoing research about "silent bubbles" that 
suggests that some bubble formation may occur in dives that are 
made within the limits of the tables. (Deco and no-deco) But
people are not affected by the bubbles since they are small enough
that they don't block the blood flow anywhere. Safety stops
are likely to reduce the size and number of these bubbles.

Another point to consider with the charter operators is that
their business is based on divers going out and having fun, 
not getting hurt and comming back to do it again. They are
going to promote the safest possible options since that's 
in the long term best interest of their business.

The final point is that you can get bent diving within the
limits of the tables. All it takes is going close to the limits 
and possibly an extra risk factor or two -- and you've
earned yourself a trip to the Alfred. (Our local hospital
with a re-compression chamber) So if a 3 minute stop is good,
then a 5 minute stop is better.

-Don
 




 8 Posts in Topic:
5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"Hi-Soft" <n  2008-05-11 13:06:13 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"dechucka" <  2008-05-12 09:14:22 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
Don Gingrich <aussie.i  2008-05-12 10:27:08 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"dechucka" <  2008-05-12 10:48:22 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"Hi-Soft" <b  2008-05-12 14:51:10 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"dechucka" <  2008-05-12 16:38:05 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
Don Gingrich <aussie.i  2008-05-12 20:53:00 
Re: 5min or 3min Safety Stop ?
"Hi-Soft" <b  2008-05-13 11:24:16 

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