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> On Oct 7, 12:06 pm, "Canuck57" <dave-no_s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Oct 6, 12:34 pm, "Canuck57" <dave-no_s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> > I saw on the news that American automakers are actually
discouraging
>> >> > Canadians from buying vehicles in the USA. The costs are inflated
>> >> > north of the border so I couldn't see the harm, but then again the
>> >> > Canadian manufacturers are taking a beating.
>>
>> >> Yep, and they are now being sued for their unfair anti-competative
>> >> practices.
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>>http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070926/automobile_la...
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>> >> Me, I don't buy from such bad retailers that discriminate against
>> >> Canadians.
>> >> It is, well un-Canadian.
>>
>> >> > The wife and I bought a boat last year, Campion Explorer 682. It
was
>> >> > definitely cheaper in the United States. However when you factor
the
>> >> > cost of taxes, duty, etc. it was comparable with shopping north.
We
>> >> > purchased it from Campbell's in Gravenhurst and in the end I think
>> >> > it
>> >> > was probably cheaper. We also sup****ted the Canadian economy :)
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>> >> > ---
>> >> > Michael Lalonde
>> >> > OMB Business Development Officer
>> >> > 1170 Ramsey View Court
>> >> > Sudbury, ON P3E 2E4
>> >> > mikelalo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> Your a business development officer? OMG are you nuts quoting
duties
>> >> on
>> >> American/Canadian made boats? Your incompetance ****nes.
>>
>> >> Your
>> >>
boat?http://iboats.net/cgi-bin/marine_classifieds/adv-search.cgi?id=69017
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>> >> There are no "duties" on US, Canadian or Mexican manufactured boats
or
>> >> motors. And GST/PST has to be paid either way. In fact GST/PST is
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> cost you less as you paid less. Read up on NAFTA, it isn't just for
>> >> business.
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>> >> Person A:
>> >> Buys a boat in Canada, $30,000 CDN
>> >> Add GST/PST (ON) $4,200
>> >> Total Cost $34,200.
>>
>> >> Person B
>> >> Buys same boat in the US, $20,000 CDN (exchanged into US say at par)
>> >> Add GST/PST (ON) $2,800
>> >> Mfgr CDN Coast Guard tag: $60 (and you have a US one too)
>> >> Total Cost $22,860
>>
>> >> Me, I would rather have the $11,340 after tax dollars in my pocket
>> >> thank
>> >> you. Could spend that on other local businesses.
>>
>> >> And was your boat made in Canada? Possibly in BC, and if you bought
a
>> >> Campion Explorer 682 in the US you could have saved and sup****ted
>> >> Canada.
>>
>> >> Not much unlike I bought a Oshawa built GM in the US, saved over
>> >> $10,000
>> >> and
>> >> im****ted it via RIV. Have done this with 2 vehicles so far. Isn't
>> >> NAFTA
>> >> is
>> >> wonderful.
>>
>> >> Have my boat selection down to 4 models. Have lines on 3 dealers,
all
>> >> US
>> >> based. Local dealers are not getting real.
>>
>> > What kind of boat?
>> > I just brought a Baja over a month ago.
>> > All I paid was PST and GST.
>>
>> Looking at fibreglass 17-19 foot I/O type. Will be using it on inland
>> lakes
>> from BC to Northern Ontario. The lakes I want to visit are as small as
>> 5-6
>> km to upwards of 100km long. Primary use will be fi****ng and just for
a
>> day
>> of boating on the water. I was looking at aluminium but like the fuel
>> economy of an I/O. And eventually retire to or near a lake somewhere.
>> Bayliner, Glastron and others being considered.
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> If you can swing it, a Regal or Larson are nice boats that hold their
> value well. I'd take a pass on a Bayliner, they are very hard to
> resell. I have no experience with a Glasstron.
> I also like the Canadian made Campion boats.
> Many of the Canadian dealers have taken to selling bottom end US boats
> to stay in an acceptable price range, relative to size for Canadian
> buyers. Canadians just don't have the disposable income the American
> buyer has. One good reason to buy in the US.
> Right now, boats in Michigan are a real buyers market. The economy in
> that state is in bad shape, consequently lower prices. And our dollar
> is up there.
> I have bought new boats in the past, but never will again for two
> reasons.
> (1) They all take a big drop in value over the first 2 years. Let
> somebody else take that hit.
> (2) And most im****tantly, a good used boat that can pass a moisture
> test and marine survey 'may' be better than new.
> Transoms are prone to leakage through the outdrive area. The insides
> are made of plywood and once wet, will rot out completely in 5 years
> or less.
> To me, a good 'dry' boat is worth more than a 'maybe' new boat.
> I just bought a 2 year old Baja Outlaw performance boat. The first 3 I
> tested (less than 4 years old) had wet transoms.
> It's a coin toss on a new one.
> I also would not rule out the outboards for what you have in mind. The
> EFI models are very fuel efficient. I have a 16' Starcraft with 60
> Merc EFI and it holds 16 US gallons. I doubt I could empty that tank
> if I ran it all day at 4,000 RPM from 8AM to 8PM.
> A 19' aluminum boat with an 80 or 100 HP motor is pretty hard to beat
> for an all around fun/fi****ng boat.
> If I can be of any service, advice wise, it would be a pleasure to
> help. (I like your politics, few of us left)
Interesting feedback, and I suspect most insightful. I might just re-open
the aluminium boat question as there are some things I do like about them,
primarily weight as they are lighter. But also many seem more geared
towards fi****ng. Will not be racing or skiing, if it takes 5 seconds or
15
to plane is not a concern. I worry more about reliability and usability.
What attracted me to fibreglass was they are often I/O and I have
perceived
in the past they are often much more fuel efficient and reliable if you
keep
them up.
In my past most of my experience has been with my Dad, uncle and
grandparents boats. But having had driven some friends and rentals on
holidays. But those old 90hp 2 strokes were pigs on gas. There was a
65hp
and it wasn't too bad.
Agree with the depreciation part. Especially new. Sort of makes no sense
if you can find a good used one. Adding the check for wet transom, sounds
nasty. I think that is why my grandfather retired one boat. He actually
built his! Not much to look at but was everything you could want for
fi****ng. Even had a cabin and lasted for many years. But I plan on
having
it for many years. So new or used, used perhaps if I think it has a lot of
life left.
So if outboard engines like your 60 Merc EFI, I assume 4 stroke have
caught
up to I/O in efficiencies then back on the list they go?
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