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Re: Miami to BVI

by "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM

"Peter" <ndaoway@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:3d710a26-f1f4-4890-85d6-633fed95eabc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You know, Wilbur, I haven't posted very often on this forum, but I
> have read a good many of the posts.  If the number of miles you have
> sailed equalled even half the number of negative posts that you have
> posted, you might have a tad of credibility.  I am sick of reading
> your foolish trash.  To respond to your ridiculous question, no it
> doesn't tell me anyting about my personal odds for success.  The fact
> is that of those who sail in the Caribbean during hurricane season,
> only a minority encounter any problems.  As a matter of fact, I have
> sailed in the Caribbean during hurrican season and intend to do so
> again this year.  The pontifications of armchair sailors like yourself
> do not contribute anything to the discussion.


And therein lies the difference between you and me and Ree*****.

1) You apparently have some offshore sailing experience in the area in 
question. Ree***** has none.

2)  You apparently have some awareness of the danger of tropical storms
and 
the time of the year of hurricane season. Ree***** wasn't even aware of 
hurricane season and the frequency of hurricanes during peak months of
that 
season.

3) You are somewhat seasoned while Ree***** has never sailed offshore.
Lake 
sailor at best.

4) You probably have a seaworthy vessel. Ree***** has a small Hunter or 
similar cheap, coastal only boat.

5) You don't sail on a schedule since you're experienced enough to know it

doesn't work. Ree*****'s main planning point is to schedule around a land 
based itinerary.

6) I've been cruising and have lived aboard since 1985. I have more time
and 
miles aboard my boat than the combined total of so-called sailors in this 
group. I know of which I speak. I have experienced aboard my yacht more 
hurricanes than the lot of you put together. (Try a total of 28 tropical 
storms and hurricanes each and every one with no or minor damage - and
none 
of them offshore where I would have died).

Unlike Ree***** I have a very good grasp of the time and distances of what

might look like a hop, skip and a jump such as from Miami to BVI. I know
it 
is anything but. Many lubbers like Ree***** have a lubbers idea of
distance. 
They judge distances by how far they can drive in a day. "Why," they
yammer, 
"1200 miles ain't nothing. That's only two days driving."  Little do they 
realize that against wind and current they will be lucky to cover 50 miles

toward their destination in a 24 hour period. That turns a 1200 mile
sailing 
trip into a 24 day ordeal and that's if the boat doesn't break which it 
likely will. Offshore voyagers rarely subject their vessels to such abuse 
and their vessels are probably ten times as stout as some Hunter type.

And if they stop and wait for "weather windows" that don't occur during
the 
time of the year they wish to travel their 24 day ordeal will likely turn 
into a six month debacle. There are very few weather windows in the Trades

in the summer. About the only thing that turns the prevailing winds is a 
hurricane. Do you "work" hurricanes? Do you suggest others try it? I doubt

it.

So try to consider that Ree***** is a rank, ignorant, novice who is
totally 
clueless when it comes to offshore voyaging. You've heard the sad saga of 
the captain and crew of the "Red Cloud" no doubt. The captain had years of

offshore experience or so he claimed. But, he was done in by a little ole 
cold front in the Gulf of Mexico that had sustained winds of only 45-50 or

so knots. And you think lamers like Ree***** have any chance of success at

all voyaging hundreds of miles offshore at the height of hurricane season
in 
a flimsy Hunter? Why do you encourage such irresponsible behavior?

Wilbur Hubbard
 




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Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 05:46:28 
Re: Miami to BVI
Geoff Schultz <geoff&q  2008-05-05 11:32:22 
Re: Miami to BVI
Geoff Schultz <geoff&q  2008-05-05 11:39:24 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 13:11:28 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 11:13:56 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Gregory Hall"   2008-05-05 14:18:12 
Re: Miami to BVI
Jere Lull <jerelull@[E  2008-05-06 11:31:50 
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Wayne.B <waynebatrecdo  2008-05-06 07:44:47 
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salty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-06 11:09:45 
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Wayne.B <waynebatrecdo  2008-05-06 22:46:46 
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salty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 06:26:32 
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Jere Lull <jerelull@[E  2008-05-08 02:21:52 
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Wayne.B <waynebatrecdo  2008-05-08 00:38:33 
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jeff <jeff@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 19:03:21 
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Marty <baxterm@[EMAIL   2008-05-08 19:58:35 
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Wayne.B <waynebatrecdo  2008-05-08 23:30:25 
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Jere Lull <jerelull@[E  2008-05-09 06:16:51 
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Geoff Schultz <geoff&q  2008-05-05 14:03:33 
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Geoff Schultz <geoff&q  2008-05-05 14:04:50 
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BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 11:21:58 
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"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 14:36:06 
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"Don White" <  2008-05-05 17:10:07 
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Bob <freya2go@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 12:09:15 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 15:49:30 
Re: Miami to BVI
Bob <freya2go@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 13:28:31 
Re: Miami to BVI
Peter <ndaoway@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 13:50:24 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 17:06:54 
Re: Miami to BVI
Geoff Schultz <geoff&q  2008-05-05 16:31:29 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 18:15:58 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 14:48:28 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Gregory Hall"   2008-05-05 18:01:39 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 14:51:54 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 18:07:24 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 14:56:01 
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"Capt. JG" <  2008-05-05 15:10:53 
Re: Miami to BVI
Wayne.B <waynebatrecdo  2008-05-06 07:17:13 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 15:00:48 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-05 18:31:23 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 15:01:45 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Don White" <  2008-05-05 22:21:30 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 15:09:52 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 15:10:55 
Re: Miami to BVI
BeeRich <beerich@[EMAI  2008-05-05 15:13:57 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Capt. JG" <  2008-05-05 19:09:37 
Re: Miami to BVI
Peter <ndaoway@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:42:42 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard"  2008-05-06 12:36:24 
Re: Miami to BVI
Peter <ndaoway@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:46:35 
Re: Miami to BVI
Bob <freya2go@[EMAIL P  2008-05-06 07:18:09 
Re: Miami to BVI
"Glenn Ashmore"  2008-05-07 08:43:39 
Re: Miami to BVI
PrefersOffshore <twill  2008-05-10 19:27:33 

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