One other thing. I'm confused about you mentioning that you didn't say
anything about the ACA but were rather speaking of the ACA documents. It
seems that if they're teaching it one way that the documents would read
the
same. It sounds like they need to do some updating unless they're just
mentioned the words "low brace" and "high brace" with no descriptions
attached to them. The way I understand it is a low brace is with the
elbow
up and a high brace with the elbow down and you always want to stay in the
box. Reaching up high would take your arm out of the box.
Courtney
"Courtney" <courtneynipper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:...
> I wasn't talking about you I just noticed that a variety of people
weren't
> aware and I was talking in general. Since I do both sea and whitewater
> kayaking I cruise both newsgroups. I took an ACA instructor coarse for
sea
> kayaking about 4 years ago and again was taught to keep my elbow low on
a
> high brace. I mentioned the whitewater class since it was 10+ years ago
and
> just thought it was widely taught now a days. Since I learned the
"elbow
> down" high brace in both classes I was surprised to hear that it was
still
> being taught with the arm extended. When I started kayaking some years
ago
> I was originally taught to extend my arm in a high brace. It took a
while
> to change that but after tearing my rotator cuff three times I finally
> learned. Some people never have a problem with it. I guess I was one
of
> the unlucky one's.
>
> Courtney
>
> <cramersec@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:1155153326.981586.194780@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > If you're talking about me ("You talking about ME?"), I never said
> > anything about the ACA and elbow up/arm extended braces. I quoted the
> > ACA documents for Level 3 and 4 coastal kayak assessments that state
> > that paddlers should be able to do both high and low braces. This is
> > for coastal kayak, not WW (rec.boats.paddle.touring, right?). When
> > you're broached and bracing into a 3 foot breaker, a low brace really
> > doesn't work as well as a well-tucked high brace. And yes, extend your
> > arm in that situation and they may be carting you off to the ER.
> >
> > Now I'm wondering, did the ACA ever "encourage a high braces with the
> > elbow up (or arm extended)" or are we chasing a chimera?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Courtney wrote:
> > > It's interesting that I'm seeing people not knowing that the ACA
doesn't
> > > encourage a high braces with the elbow up (or arm extended) anymore.
> When I
> > > started teaching whitewater and took the class about 10 years ago
they
> told
> > > us it then. I haven't checked their web site out lately but I
wonder
> why
> > > they're not making it known. I do recall that my instructor trainer
> still
> > > called the low elbow a high brace but we were also using the
backside
of
> the
> > > blade as well. It's easy once a person is used to doing it and can
be
> used
> > > without a problem in big water. I happened to notice (because of
this
> > > thread) that I used it three times the other afternoon in class III
/
IV
> > > with side kicking waves and holes.
> > >
> > > Courtney
> > >
> > > <cramersec@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > news:1154723806.970012.56730@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > I must have missed the memo from ACA,or perhaps their web site is
out
> > > > of date, but several places there is mention of using both high
and
> low
> > > > braces, for example in the Level 3 and Level 4 Assessments. Only
low
> > > > brace appears in the Level 1 skill set, though, so Brian may be
right
> > > > WRT beginning paddlers.
> > > >
> > > > The elbow tucked down position is the one I teach, after a long
> lecture
> > > > about dislocations.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > John Fereira wrote:
> > > > > Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Davej wrote:
> > > > > >> I have seen this discussed in the past with a high degree of
> > > > > >> uncertainty and confusion. Have basic hand position
guidelines
> now
> > > been
> > > > > >> settled upon? Thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > What has happened is that the ACA and BCU are no longer
teaching
> or
> > > > > > recommending high bracing.
> > > > >
> > > > > When did that happen? As of a couple of years ago a high brace
for
> > > sup****t
> > > > > (both from a stationary position and on the move) were required
for
> the
> > > BCU
> > > > > 3 star assessment.
> > > >
> >
>
>
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