As I said, I was quoting from the ACA Level 3 and 4 *****sment standards
(you could look it up, it's right here:
http://www.acanet.org/pdf/CKLevel3.pdf),
which simply state that a
paddler must be able to demonstrate both a low and a high brace. I can't
find anything on the ACA site that tells in detail how to do a high
brace, but I can't find anything that explains a forward touring stroke,
either, so that doesn't mean anything.
As to the question of whether the ACA is teaching extended arm bracing
"anymore," I direct your attention to page 49 of Laurie Gullion's
_Canoeing and Kayaking Instruction Manual_. I know you have a copy of
it. There is a picture of a kayaker doing an elbows-tucked-in "low high
brace." That book was published by the ACA in 1987. That's, um, almost
20 years ago, which suggests that extended arm bracing was never
recommended. Perhaps there is evidence to the contrary, but I can't find
it.
You said you were originally taught to extend a high brace and tore up
your shoulder three times. That's too bad. I think that 10+ years ago we
didn't realize the hazards as well as we do now. I know I'm much more
explicit with my students about where to place their elbows than I
recall having been instructed.
Steve
Courtney wrote:
> One other thing. I'm confused about you mentioning that you didn't say
> anything about the ACA but were rather speaking of the ACA do***ents.
It
> seems that if they're teaching it one way that the do***ents would read
the
> same. It sounds like they need to do some updating unless they're just
> mentioned the words "low brace" and "high brace" with no descriptions
> attached to them. The way I understand it is a low brace is with the
elbow
> up and a high brace with the elbow down and you always want to stay in
the
> box. Reaching up high would take your arm out of the box.
>
> Courtney
>
> "Courtney" <courtneynipper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:...
>> I wasn't talking about you I just noticed that a variety of people
> weren't
>> aware and I was talking in general. Since I do both sea and whitewater
>> kayaking I cruise both newsgroups. I took an ACA instructor coarse for
> sea
>> kayaking about 4 years ago and again was taught to keep my elbow low on
a
>> high brace. I mentioned the whitewater class since it was 10+ years
ago
> and
>> just thought it was widely taught now a days. Since I learned the
"elbow
>> down" high brace in both cl***** I was surprised to hear that it was
still
>> being taught with the arm extended. When I started kayaking some years
> ago
>> I was originally taught to extend my arm in a high brace. It took a
while
>> to change that but after tearing my rotator cuff three times I finally
>> learned. Some people never have a problem with it. I guess I was one
of
>> the unlucky one's.
>>
>> Courtney
>>
>> <cramersec@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:1155153326.981586.194780@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> If you're talking about me ("You talking about ME?"), I never said
>>> anything about the ACA and elbow up/arm extended braces. I quoted the
>>> ACA do***ents for Level 3 and 4 coastal kayak *****sments that state
>>> that paddlers should be able to do both high and low braces. This is
>>> for coastal kayak, not WW (rec.boats.paddle.touring, right?). When
>>> you're broached and bracing into a 3 foot breaker, a low brace really
>>> doesn't work as well as a well-tucked high brace. And yes, extend your
>>> arm in that situation and they may be carting you off to the ER.
>>>
>>> Now I'm wondering, did the ACA ever "encourage a high braces with the
>>> elbow up (or arm extended)" or are we chasing a chimera?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Courtney wrote:
>>>> It's interesting that I'm seeing people not knowing that the ACA
> doesn't
>>>> encourage a high braces with the elbow up (or arm extended) anymore.
>> When I
>>>> started teaching whitewater and took the class about 10 years ago
they
>> told
>>>> us it then. I haven't checked their web site out lately but I wonder
>> why
>>>> they're not making it known. I do recall that my instructor trainer
>> still
>>>> called the low elbow a high brace but we were also using the backside
> of
>> the
>>>> blade as well. It's easy once a person is used to doing it and can
be
>> used
>>>> without a problem in big water. I happened to notice (because of
this
>>>> thread) that I used it three times the other afternoon in class III /
> IV
>>>> with side kicking waves and holes.
>>>>
>>>> Courtney
>>>>
>>>> <cramersec@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> news:1154723806.970012.56730@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> I must have missed the memo from ACA,or perhaps their web site is
> out
>>>>> of date, but several places there is mention of using both high and
>> low
>>>>> braces, for example in the Level 3 and Level 4 *****sments. Only low
>>>>> brace appears in the Level 1 skill set, though, so Brian may be
> right
>>>>> WRT beginning paddlers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The elbow tucked down position is the one I teach, after a long
>> lecture
>>>>> about dislocations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> John Fereira wrote:
>>>>>> Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Davej wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have seen this discussed in the past with a high degree of
>>>>>>>> uncertainty and confusion. Have basic hand position guidelines
>> now
>>>> been
>>>>>>>> settled upon? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What has happened is that the ACA and BCU are no longer teaching
>> or
>>>>>>> recommending high bracing.
>>>>>> When did that happen? As of a couple of years ago a high brace
> for
>>>> sup****t
>>>>>> (both from a stationary position and on the move) were required
> for
>> the
>>>> BCU
>>>>>> 3 star *****sment.
>>
>
>
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Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
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