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Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?

by Morten Reistad <first@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 19, 2008 at 09:43 PM

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Two meter troll  <eawisner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Aug 15, 7:21 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 3:20 am, Two meter troll <eawis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> Hey, where's the real place with humans, Alaska, Scandinavia?
>
>any place where you get actual sailors.
>I worked the gulf for a while and was on the whole unimpressed. what i
>observed was a total lack of licensing, no familiarity with either
>inland or international rules of the road, skill levels in boat
>handling and navigations somewhere around those of a brain damaged
>squid, drunkenness at the helm, no enforcement at all, trash all over
>the place, a disregard for every one else on or in the water, and an
>over whelming attitude that folks don't actually have to follow any
>rules.   In short; Bubbas (I cant actually think of anything that acts
>as slovenly and boorish as the majority of southern boaters).

In Scandinavia the greater Oslo Fjord area is like this. Sheltered
waters, lots of yuppies with daddys gofast-boat; as you call them ;
"bubbas" with cabin cruisers, and rich drunkards with cigar
boats. The first day of main holiday you can barely get through on the
VHF ch 16 because of all the disaster messages. Fortunatly, the vast
majority of damage is self-inflicted. [1]

This territory is sharply defined as the coastal waters from 
Mandal (just west of Kristiansand) to just south of Smogen. These
are a sheltered morass of crisscrossing small fjords, and except
for finding the shallows and rocks (with the boaters are very good at),
there is no real challenge in navigating.

West and north of this area there is a whole different culture.
Same for Denmark. There is far between ****ts, you need to handle
the weather. The larger fjords make excellent wind and wave
tunnels; you can have a storm at the center, and total calm on
land. You have to handle stretches where navigation can be an 
issue; e.g. finding the little ****ts in between all the rocks.

I put the good seaman****p in most of Sweden up to the fact that it
is the most well organised place on the planet.

>Take your pick go north or south east or west from the cancer coast
>and you soon get a higher pro****tion of humans to Bubbas.

-- mrr

[1] But the story of the motor torpedo boat that ran aground
    and killed a cow is true. It actually happened twice, in 
    1954 and again in the 1970s. The first cow was almost cut in
    half, the second one died of a heart attack.
    The Navy has "improved the charts" a lot by finding shallows
    and rocks noone has know about. They are very good at finding
    them at 40 knots as well.
 




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Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-14 08:25:47 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 13:09:41 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:25:07 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:25:07 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 11:30:59 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-14 14:53:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:39:00 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-14 14:53:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:39:00 
Re: might makes right
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:02:26 
Re: might makes right
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:40:46 
Re: might makes right
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:40:46 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:13:17 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:46:02 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:46:02 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 00:20:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 07:21:13 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 09:12:16 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:43:39 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:43:39 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 10:44:23 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-15 18:36:42 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-15 18:36:42 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 16:23:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 16:38:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-20 10:36:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"cramersec@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-21 08:18:29 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:00:58 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Hix <sehix@[EMAI  2008-08-21 11:10:01 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Hix <sehix@[EMAI  2008-08-21 11:10:01 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Cramer <cramerse  2008-08-24 18:11:48 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:11:32 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:28:11 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:28:11 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 08:40:50 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:39:06 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:39:06 
Re: how best to survive out there
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:17:24 
Re: how best to survive out there
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:37:46 
Re: how best to survive out there
Chicago Paddling-Fishing   2008-08-22 17:26:47 
Re: how best to survive out there
Chicago Paddling-Fishing   2008-08-22 17:26:47 
Re: how best to survive out there
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:37:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:31:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 15:58:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 15:58:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 12:36:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 16:08:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:35:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 16:08:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:35:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 07:40:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 17:57:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 17:57:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 08:21:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 18:06:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 13:07:19 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 18:06:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 13:07:19 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-23 13:39:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:48:50 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:48:50 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-24 05:19:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-26 00:07:46 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 13:09:41 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 11:30:59 
Re: might makes right
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:02:26 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:13:17 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 00:20:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 07:21:13 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 09:12:16 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 10:44:23 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 16:23:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 16:38:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-20 10:36:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"cramersec@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-21 08:18:29 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:00:58 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:11:32 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 08:40:50 
Re: how best to survive out there
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:17:24 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:31:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 12:36:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 07:40:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 08:21:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-23 13:39:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-24 05:19:32 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 08:21:25 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 08:47:16 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 09:01:22 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 09:06:47 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-24 20:42:30 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 06:51:30 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 06:52:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-25 13:52:22 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:38:52 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-27 19:53:55 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:39:16 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:37:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-29 13:43:04 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-02 05:40:24 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 17:19:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:43:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:38:13 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 17:29:38 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-25 17:51:31 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Greg Mossman <mossman@  2008-08-25 18:48:04 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-26 07:51:35 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:46:46 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:35:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-28 03:00:37 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-28 08:28:08 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-28 03:34:58 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-28 08:40:40 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-30 10:53:54 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
dweebgs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-09-02 19:00:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-03 06:13:45 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-09-03 07:31:49 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-03 10:52:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-09-03 12:20:24 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Patrick, Whit"  2008-09-25 10:22:54 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-09-26 01:46:17 

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