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Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?

by KingOfTheApes <comandante.banana@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 23, 2008 at 08:21 AM

On Aug 22, 3:58 pm, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > do yourself a favor and carry a hand held uhf radio or something and
> > if you see people, motorboat or not, acting like ***** call the
police/
> > coast guard."
>
> That's a really good idea.  You'll make so many friends and gain so much
> respect that way.  Be sure to curse and make obscene gestures as they go
by
> too.  You wouldn't want to miss out on any op****tunity to make an
> impression.

No, you have to nice to people, even the ones that threaten your life.
It's the Christian thing to do. That's why I tell them, "Hey, don't
eat me, you can eat my banana!" ;)

>
> This is all a great way to ensure that, when others don't have a legal
> obligation to consider your needs. they are considerate anyway and even
to
> be really sure that, should you ever actually need somebody with a
powered
> boat to assist you that they'll do so without hesitation.

Some of them are real nice, real captains. Once one in Key Largo
helped us recover a sunken kayak.

It's like there's decent people driving SUVs, just that many of them
are reckless and they have made the wrong vehicle choice.

>
> Here are a couple of clues.  Power boaters have been picked on,
harassed,
> limited, and taxed almost out of their activities.  It takes hours for
them
> to get where their fi****ng, diving, or other activities take place
because
> they have to travel at idle speed to keep manatees never seen in the
area,
> safe just in case they every happen to be there.  They pay substantially
> more for the fuel that the use simply because they use it on the water.
> They bought their very expensive boats either because that's what they
> enjoy, because that's what it takes to do what they bought a boat for,
or
> because they don't have the time to use slower, more economical vessels.
 No
> matter what the reason, they have a right and a right to expect to be
able
> to use them to their maximum potential when and where the law allows.

Sometimes that law doesn't exist or is not enforced and they just
follow the Law of the Jungle. If you talk about the channels their
speeds are not terribly willd, but still you are a sitting duck.

In certain spots of the intracostal and the beach, though, they just
fly over the water with their cigarette boats. It's common sight there
that they just fly by past the buoys, a few hundred feet from the
beach. If you go there to relax, their roaring motors will remind you
there's no place to hide. Well, try ear plugs perhaps. ;)

C'mon, there's no control to this? Can't we have them stay at least 1
mile from shore?

>
> You guys, and I, for that matter, have chosen a slower, more sedate and
less
> expensive mode of trans****tation for very different reasons.  We don't
us
> kayaks to do the things others do in power, or sail boats. We can get
closer
> to nature, into places that power boats can and should not go, and
generally
> relax in ways unique to us.  Why not do that in places best suited to
what
> we enjoy?  Why encroach on the few places left that power boaters can
use
> their trans****tation the way the want and ***** about them doing it?

I've said the weekends belong to the predators. I even grant them the
daylight because I don't want to see their garbage. But going past the
buoys at the beach is reasonable, since staying within them would make
me a danger to the swimmers, and I don't want to become the predator.

>
> One more thing to keep in mind.  It costs you nothing to wait a minute
for a
> power boat to pass.  It probably costs a boat 25 feet or more in length,
and
> certainly the high speed monohulls you guys were complaining about,
anywhere
> from $10 to $20 extra to slow down and return to a plane.  Perhaps that
will
> give you at least a little understanding of why they are so reluctant to
do
> so.

The thing with a motorboat is that you don't know if stopping puts you
at lesser or greater danger. You just have to predictable, and
hopefully they'll steer around you.

>
> You want to cross the channel, no problem.  Find someplace where speed
is
> limited and go for it.  God knows such places are all over the
Intracoastal
> You want to share areas where boats go faster, great, do it out of the
> channels, in shallower water  where your vessel is designed to go and
power
> boats aren't.

There's no safe intersections in those channels, much less a signal
light. ;)

You just go for it and pray to come out alive.

>
> You want consideration, so do the power boaters.  You want consideration
> from them, try giving it to them.

I do. The problem is NOT them actually. But the whole set up where we
--kayakers and canoeists-- are exposed to uncessary dangers, and where
they can speed, drink, get high, be reckless, and get away with it.

>
> Now, before you guys get all excited and tell everybody about the
> occasionally jerk, ask yourself this.  For every time a power boater
> inconvenienced you, how many times do you suppose the power boater was
> inconvenienced by you.
>
> Lee

Some steering from them to avoid you is NOT an inconvenience. The
ocean is full of different species, and we all must get along, or
declare that the only law out there is the Law of the Jungle.

Hey, people who got "money to burn" can try sailing, that is more
rewarding and totally environmentally friendly. Motorboats which are
needed for fi****ng are OK too since they serve a purpose. And then you
can always choose the smaller motorboats out there.
 




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Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-14 08:25:47 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 13:09:41 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:25:07 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:25:07 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 11:30:59 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-14 14:53:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:39:00 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-14 14:53:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:39:00 
Re: might makes right
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:02:26 
Re: might makes right
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:40:46 
Re: might makes right
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:40:46 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:13:17 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:46:02 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 20:46:02 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 00:20:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 07:21:13 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 09:12:16 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:43:39 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-19 21:43:39 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 10:44:23 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-15 18:36:42 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-15 18:36:42 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 16:23:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 16:38:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-20 10:36:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"cramersec@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-21 08:18:29 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:00:58 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Hix <sehix@[EMAI  2008-08-21 11:10:01 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Hix <sehix@[EMAI  2008-08-21 11:10:01 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Steve Cramer <cramerse  2008-08-24 18:11:48 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:11:32 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:28:11 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:28:11 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 08:40:50 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:39:06 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:39:06 
Re: how best to survive out there
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:17:24 
Re: how best to survive out there
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:37:46 
Re: how best to survive out there
Chicago Paddling-Fishing   2008-08-22 17:26:47 
Re: how best to survive out there
Chicago Paddling-Fishing   2008-08-22 17:26:47 
Re: how best to survive out there
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 12:37:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:31:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 15:58:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 15:58:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 12:36:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 16:08:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:35:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-22 16:08:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:35:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 07:40:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 17:57:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 17:57:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 08:21:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 18:06:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 13:07:19 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-23 18:06:46 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 13:07:19 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-23 13:39:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:48:50 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-24 12:48:50 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-24 05:19:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Morten Reistad <first@  2008-08-26 00:07:46 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-14 13:09:41 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 11:30:59 
Re: might makes right
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:02:26 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-14 12:13:17 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 00:20:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 07:21:13 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 09:12:16 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 10:44:23 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-15 16:23:20 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-15 16:38:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-20 10:36:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"cramersec@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-21 08:18:29 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:00:58 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-21 09:11:32 
Re: fast motorboats sound to me like WMDs
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 08:40:50 
Re: how best to survive out there
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:17:24 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 09:31:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-22 12:36:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 07:40:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-23 08:21:32 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-23 13:39:28 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-24 05:19:32 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 08:21:25 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 08:47:16 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 09:01:22 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-24 09:06:47 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-24 20:42:30 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 06:51:30 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 06:52:43 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-25 13:52:22 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:38:52 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhui  2008-08-27 19:53:55 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:39:16 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:37:15 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-29 13:43:04 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-02 05:40:24 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 17:19:41 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:43:20 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:38:13 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
KingOfTheApes <comanda  2008-08-25 17:29:38 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-25 17:51:31 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Greg Mossman <mossman@  2008-08-25 18:48:04 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-08-26 07:51:35 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
log_dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-27 23:46:46 
Re: A civilized society cannot let the law of the jungle rule it
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-27 20:35:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-28 03:00:37 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-28 08:28:08 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
-hh <recscuba_google@[  2008-08-28 03:34:58 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-08-28 08:40:40 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-08-30 10:53:54 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
dweebgs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-09-02 19:00:29 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-03 06:13:45 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-09-03 07:31:49 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
"Lee Bell" <  2008-09-03 10:52:09 
Re: WHO'S LIABLE IF I DO GET HIT?
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-09-03 12:20:24 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
"Patrick, Whit"  2008-09-25 10:22:54 
Re: Why the Law of the Sea has to be the Law of the Jungle?
Two meter troll <eawis  2008-09-26 01:46:17 

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