Gene,
I don't have any other info beyond what is written in A9. On rereading
this, I suppose it depends on when a race is scored. If you consider the
races to be run and then scored all at one time at the end, then clearly
the
DNC penalty is final number of registrants.
If you consider the race is scored and the results then frozen on the day
the race took place, then the current number of registrants would hold.
RaceSail only has one slot for number of registrants so as the number
grows
all the old races are rescored using the latest number. However, race
results can be frozen (by converting a race into a group) so that the
***ulative effect could be modelled. Like you, I think that the DNC
results
don't really influence the results provided there are sufficient discards
allowed. They certainly provide a strong incentive for participation in
the
last few races.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Fuller" <W4SZzzzzzz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Boats entered in a series
> Hi Ed,
>
> Thanks for your input. The question of "penalty" for failure to show up
is
> an old one, of course, and different racing environments will probably
be
> best served with different answers.
>
> I am curious about your last statement regarding "the letter of the
law".
> I tend to agree that "boats entered" means all boats that entered over
the
> entire length of the series. Some in our club disagree, believing the
> "boats entered" is a week-by-week floating number. Do have have any
> reference for "the letter of the law" other than ordinary interpretation
> of the English language?
>
> In practical terms this entire matter is not a huge deal for us. We
allow
> some score exclusions, so for most boats who receive one or two DNC
scores
> it simply does not matter. In virtually no case is any boat still
holding
> DNC scores after the exclusions in contention for any series awards.
>
> Regards,
> Gene Fuller
>
>
> Edward Mitchell wrote:
>> Gene,
>>
>> The fairest way to my mind is to score DNCs just like a DNS or DSQ. A9
>> says that the DNC is number of registrants plus one but that is a
really
>> draconian penalty when a normal long series could have a single race
>> participation rate of 50% to 70%. A DNS or DSQ, etc. is scored number
of
>> boats that came to the starting area! With 20 boats registered and 10
>> boats competing, to score the DNC boat as 21 and the DSQ boat as 11
>> doesn't seem to make sense.
>>
>> If you score the DNC the same as the DNS, then there is no difference
>> when boats join the series. If you don't, the letter of the law would
>> say that the original races should be rescored so the DNC boats are
>> further penalized.
>>
>> Ed
>> --
>> Edward E.L. Mitchell
>> Web: www.racesail.org
>> Phone: (239)415-7039
>> 6707 Daniel Court
>> Fort Myers, FL 33908
>>
>> "Gene Fuller" <W4SZzzzzzz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:n3v_f.9454$Im6.329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>>A question has come up in our local sailing club about the correct, or
at
>>>least preferable definition of "the number of boats entered in the
>>>series" wording in Appendix A9 of the RRS.
>>>
>>>A typical series consists of 5 or 6 race days spread over a couple of
>>>months. Clearly this falls within the meaning of a series longer than a
>>>regatta. We allow registration to continue right through the series,
>>>although the requirement for trophies demands a certain number of races
>>>are actually sailed. There are several fleets of PHRF boats involved,
and
>>>all fleets are scored completely separately. The standard low point
>>>scoring method in Appendix A is used. There are exclusions allowed,
based
>>>on the number of races that are conducted.
>>>
>>>The question is what score should be given to boats that do not compete
>>>in the earlier races, when the total registration may not yet be
>>>complete?
>>>
>>>For example, suppose a fleet starts with 10 boats registered, and all
10
>>>boats show up for the first race day. Only 9 boats show up for the
second
>>>race day. Now we add two new registrants before the third race day. For
>>>simplification we will just keep that number through the end of the
>>>series.
>>>
>>>What is the proper score for the boat that missed the second race? Is
it
>>>11 points or 13 points? Does a boat that missed the 4th race get 13
>>>points while the boat that missed the second race gets 11 points?
Should
>>>both boats be scored at 13 points?
>>>
>>>I have searched various places, and I have found various clubs have
>>>different interpretations. Most, however, appear to say nothing in the
>>>SI's. I have not been able to find anything in US Sailing or ISAF
>>>do***ents that discusses the topic at all.
>>>
>>>I suspect the bottom line is that we simply need to state a reasonable
>>>rule and stick to it. However, I would like to determine if there is
some
>>>common standard that I have missed.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Gene Fuller
>>
>>
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