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Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question

by Walt <walt_askier@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 17, 2006 at 03:14 PM

Roy Smith wrote:

> Walt  <walt_askier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>>Here's the scenario:
>>
>>Boat W is to windward of boat L approaching the starting line on a close

>>reach with her boom outboard of the gunwales in order to slow down. 
>>Boat M comes up from clear astern of boat W and tries to go in between 
>>boat W and boat L.  At the moment the overlap begins, there is enough 
>>space for M to pass between the hulls of boat W and L, but not enough 
>>space for her to pass between W's boom and L.  Is M entitled to room
here?
> 
> I don't see that 18.5 has anything to do with this.  18.5 talks about
> a "continuing obstruction", which is generally taken to mean
> the shoreline, a long dock, a fi****ng net, or the like. 

I beg to differ.  I think 18.5 *does* apply here.

Take a look at case 16 from the 2005 casebook. 
http://www.sailing.org/rrs2005/casebook2005.pdf

   "When a boat clear astern overtakes two overlapping boats
   clear ahead, she may intervene between them only if there
   is room to pass between them."


Now, in that example the boats are on a run, not on a beat, but I don't 
see how that changes anything regarding whether L is an obstruction to M 
and W.  The case states that L is a continuing obstruction to M and W 
and that rule 18.5 applies.  M can stick her bow in between L and W 
*only* if there is room to pass between them.

What is different between the scenario I present and case 16 is that in 
my example the boats are going upwind, and to sail between the boats in 
a seamanlike way would require M to trim her sail in, while in case 16 
the "seamanlike" thing to do would be to sail with the boom out. The 
question is whether W is required to be "seamanlike" and pull her boom 
in as well.  Certainly Rule 12 would require that, but rule 12 would be 
trumped by rule 18.5.

That was the basic argument - M said "Pull in your boom.", W said "No, I 
don't have to, there's no room for you in between me and L so you must 
keep clear."

Note: Case 29 also has an example of a leward boat being a continuing 
obstruction.



//Walt
 




 13 Posts in Topic:
Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-17 11:22:00 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Gene Fuller <W4SZzzzzz  2006-08-17 16:14:51 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-17 15:42:17 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
roy@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-08-17 16:29:32 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-17 15:14:22 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
roy@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-08-17 19:42:38 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Gene Fuller <W4SZzzzzz  2006-08-17 17:10:20 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-17 16:27:43 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Gene Fuller <W4SZzzzzz  2006-08-17 21:16:35 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-18 11:50:54 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
DSK <dsk@[EMAIL PROTEC  2006-08-19 20:08:10 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Roy Smith <roy@[EMAIL   2006-08-19 21:54:14 
Re: Continuing obstruction (RRS 18.5) question
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2006-08-21 10:32:31 

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