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Re: Locking the prop

by "chrisR" <coross@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM

"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:H%n8k.15420$E41.14045@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>
> > I usually sail with the prop locked (by putting it in
reverse gear - fixed
> > 2 bladed low tech prop on a sail drive). This avoids the
annoying noise of
> > the gearbox turning over and is something that a lot of
sailors do.
> > However, the handbook for the Volvo MD 2030, says to
leave it in neutral
> > when sailing, and several people have told me that I am
significantly
> > increasing drag by locking the prop. What do the URS
gurus recommend
> > (Please don't recommend a change of prop, as I want to
stay on topic.)
>
> There are 3 issues here.
>
> One is what is best for the engine.  If the manual says to
let it spin,
> it must do so for a reason, though it would be interesting
to know what
> the reason is.  Do they say why?
>
> Another is the noise.  If it bothers you, lock it.
>
> Finally there's the speed thing.  Indications are that it
makes so little
> difference that folk aren't sure whether locked or
unlocked drag is bigger.
>
> I expect Ian will know the answer.  My intuition tells me
that locked drag
> is bigger, because although some power is being extracted
by the prop from
> the water flowing past, and expended in overcoming the odd
bit of friction
> here and there, and in stirring (and probably slightly
heating) the gearbox
> oil, it's so little as to be negligible compared with the
effect that
> presumably the overall force "seen" by the water ru****ng
past a fixed blade
> is bigger than with a spinning blade.
>
> Things might be different if one were seeking to extract a
serious amount
> of power from the prop.  One might want to decouple it
from the engine,
> and rig up some fancy gearing to drive a reverse windmill
to help the
> boat sail faster...
>
>

Google found this which seems to make some sense and agrees
broadly with what others have said

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VLg6Lx5yRP0C&pg=RA1-PA220&lpg=RA1-PA220&dq=locked+propeller+drag&source=web&ots=jwixLiA42g&sig=-9Dn2K_kytoDWD3M7RFJniPeP5c&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Practically I would think that differences in performance
that can't be measured it isn't im****tant,  though I suspect
that a  competitive, high performance, well sailed, fully
instrumented, polished racing yacht would have a better
chance of detecting differences (in the unlikely event that
the owner could be persuaded to fit a fixed cruising prop
for a trial of course).   Performance may not be just about
boat speed, Performance % and VMG meters might reveal a
different perspective to speed alone.

Personally I lock my 3 blade on my N26 long keel in the
possibly erroneous belief that it will save wear and noise.

ChrisR
 




 54 Posts in Topic:
Locking the prop
"Duncan Heenan"  2008-06-25 09:32:03 
Re: Locking the prop
Martin <me@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-25 10:44:40 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-25 09:14:15 
Re: Locking the prop
"chrisR" <co  2008-06-25 11:57:57 
Re: Locking the prop
Ignatios Souvatzis <u5  2008-06-25 13:18:00 
Re: Locking the prop
Tony of Judicious <ton  2008-06-25 16:37:15 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-06-25 09:31:59 
Re: Locking the prop
Nick Temple-Fry <Nick@  2008-06-25 12:44:27 
Re: Locking the prop
Martin <me@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-25 14:21:52 
Re: Locking the prop
al-news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-25 13:13:10 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-25 13:38:27 
Re: Locking the prop
Martin <me@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-25 15:41:36 
Re: Locking the prop
"skyva" <mat  2008-06-25 18:53:57 
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al-news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-26 15:56:36 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-26 18:42:00 
Re: Locking the prop
al-news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-26 19:41:29 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-06-27 19:01:03 
Re: Locking the prop
"chrisR" <co  2008-06-27 08:11:22 
Re: Locking the prop
GRAHAM M <GRAHAM@[EMAI  2008-06-25 10:53:42 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-25 18:07:13 
Re: Locking the prop
GRAHAM M <GRAHAM@[EMAI  2008-06-25 11:24:30 
Re: Locking the prop
"Alisdair Gurney&quo  2008-06-25 23:48:09 
Re: Locking the prop
"Duncan Heenan"  2008-06-26 06:39:40 
Re: Locking the prop
GRAHAM M <GRAHAM@[EMAI  2008-06-26 00:12:45 
Re: Locking the prop
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois  2008-06-26 19:34:54 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-26 22:51:17 
Re: Locking the prop
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois  2008-06-27 17:28:22 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-27 22:54:14 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-06-28 11:04:38 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-28 12:00:50 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-06-29 17:28:13 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-28 12:35:58 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-28 14:38:11 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-28 21:36:34 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-29 14:03:35 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-06-30 12:15:36 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-30 20:07:08 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-07-01 09:00:24 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-06-28 09:26:19 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-06-28 18:29:39 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-06-29 12:54:58 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-06-29 13:24:10 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-06-30 23:51:58 
Re: Locking the prop
Duncan McC (NZ) <hard@  2008-07-01 22:22:46 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-07-01 09:38:50 
Re: Locking the prop
"chrisR" <co  2008-07-02 00:00:32 
Re: Locking the prop
Ronald Raygun <no.spam  2008-07-01 23:12:58 
Re: Locking the prop
Ian <ian.groups@[EMAIL  2008-07-03 03:23:31 
Re: Locking the prop
"Stabu" <ian  2008-07-02 21:09:51 
Re: Locking the prop
"Stabu" <ian  2008-07-02 21:18:50 
Re: Locking the prop
"Stabu" <ian  2008-07-02 21:28:49 
Re: Locking the prop
"Stabu" <ian  2008-07-02 21:32:37 
Re: Locking the prop
Andy Champ <no.way@[EM  2008-07-02 22:08:01 
Re: Locking the prop
"Stabu" <ian  2008-07-02 23:09:26 

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